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 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 Post subject: new? background ads |
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The site nytimes.com is now using background images (in tables) for ads. If I try to block it with Adblock using the popup menu, it sees only a spacer, not the background image. When I tried entering the URL of the background image directly in Adblock it also failed to block the ad. I have read here that some people have had success with this. I don't quite understand how that can be as, I assume, Adblock is looking for an img src tag and the background tag is different.
Is this a feature that can be added in a future version? |
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David
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 Post subject: |
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| Which page do you see this on? A url would be helpful. |
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guest
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 Post subject: |
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| David wrote: | | Which page do you see this on? A url would be helpful. |
I think they are on all the pages, including the home page. They carry a headline that says "explore nytimes.com" and have a grey background. Here is the (partial) tag:
background="http://graphics7.nytimes.com/marketing/promos/images/photos/62504.jpg" |
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David
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 Post subject: Background images. |
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You're right! Adding the filter manually also does not block it. On the bright side, it's not an offensive ad. Hopefully it will not be possible to make a background image blink!
I wonder if 0.6 will be able to block background images?
Here is the HTML:
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<!-- EDIT PHOTO -->
<td align="left" valign="top" colspan="2" bgcolor="#C8C7C5" background="http://graphics7.nytimes.com/marketing/promos/images/photos/62504.jpg">
<!-- EDIT PHOTO LINK -->
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?type=goto&page=homepage.nytimes.com/indexnew.html&pos=Box1&camp=nytnyt-marketingmoduleHP&ad=London_Travel&goto=http://travel2.nytimes.com/top/features/travel/destinations/europe/unitedkingdom/england/london/guide.html">
<!-- END PHOTO-->
<img src="http://graphics7.nytimes.com/ads/images/misc/spacer.gif" width="100%" height="83" alt="" border="0" /></a></td>
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guest
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, the size and number of images varies often, though you are correct that they never blink or flash, so the ads are or can be, at least, distracting when you are trying to read text. While I've never seen or heard of it, I wonder if someone could use an animated .gif as a background? |
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Org
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 Post subject: |
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Hmm... I didn't see a single ad on the NY Times pages. Only three of my filters seemed to trigger there:
/[.\/_](page|online)?ad(v|_banner|[zs\?]|click|image.php|image[zs]?|serv(er?)?)?[_\/\?]/
/(doubleclick|fastclick|spinbox|falkag)\.net/
/[\/]banner([sz]?\/|it\/|\.cgi|\.pl|farm\/|link\.|_pysty\.gif|source\.|.?\d*\.)/ |
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David
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 Post subject: Ad on NY times page |
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| Org wrote: | | Hmm... I didn't see a single ad on the NY Times pages. |
It's a promotion for their own content, so you might not have thought of it as an ad (and your filters, if you're using adblock, would not have blocked it since the text part of the ad was part of the page, not part of an image or frame). |
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freddie
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 Post subject: Also on yahoo mail? |
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| Yahoo mail is using forms with background images as banner ads.. these also don't show up as "adblock this" in the context menu... it seems that adblock doesn't pick up backgrounds to block? |
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sfj
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 Post subject: |
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| guest wrote: | | While I've never seen or heard of it, I wonder if someone could use an animated .gif as a background? |
Yes it's possible. I do an example here.
You got first the gif as a cell background, then alone as an image in the page.
You might see the problem when trying to do "adblock image" on it :
possible for the image, impossible - at this time, rue if you hear us  - for the background. |
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rue
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 Post subject: |
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sfj:
If clicking the Adblock status-element doesn't reveal the image, post back here which browser/build + platform you're running.
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Adblock does catch background-images. |
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sfj
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 Post subject: |
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You can block the image on my test page ? When I click on "Adblock Image", nothing happens !
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040614 Firefox/0.9
Adblock v0.5 d2 Nightly * build 39
I must have a wicked computer (oh well a Wintel PC ! And on my Mac I huse Safari so it can't help for Adblock...
BTW rue, do we have a chance to see Adblock for Safari ?) |
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David
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 Post subject: Background images. |
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| rue wrote: | sfj:
If clicking the Adblock status-element doesn't reveal the image, post back here which browser/build + platform you're running.
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Adblock does catch background-images. |
I'm not sfj, but I'm getting the problem too.
It's on: http://www.nytimes.com/
The graphic itself is partway down the page on the right-hand-side, above "Are you struggling."
I double-checked the list of blockable items popped up when clicking "Adblock" on the status bar, and the image, http://graphics7.nytimes.com/marketing/promos/images/photos/62904.jpg, wasn't there. Here is an excerpt from the HTML:
<!-- EDIT PHOTO -->
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<!-- EDIT PHOTO LINK -->
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040628 Firefox/0.9.0+
Adblock n39. (The latest link above.) |
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David
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 Post subject: Backround ads. |
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Ooops, I forgot to disable HTML in the post above but I'm glad I didn't because I can't block the image as it appears there.
I wonder if this forum would be listed as a referrer for requests of the ad image?  |
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David
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 Post subject: Background images. |
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It seems my UA string got gobbled up by the HTML snipped. Here it is again:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040628 Firefox/0.9.0+
Adblock n39 (the latest one above). |
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rue
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 Post subject: |
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The problem appears to be: for css/background images, newer Firefox builds don't pass a node to the contentPolicy check. The right-click and "List Adblock-able" options both expect the node to have some adblock-data stored.. which doesn't happen when the node isn't passed.
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It's worth noting that this behaviour is new.
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The element can still be blocked, though. Manually adding its relevant url/pattern to Adblock's filter-list will catch and block it. |
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kstahl
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Yes, the easiest way is to right-click the image and choose "View Background Image" and then Adblock it as normal.
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David
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 Post subject: |
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| kstahl wrote: | | Yes, the easiest way is to right-click the image and choose "View Background Image" and then Adblock it as normal. |
It's amazing how one can look at something so many times and not notice it!
I was able to block the ad by manually entering a filter. Alas, I could not use "View Background Image." It visits the image itself, not a page with links to the image and Adblock does not list the url of the visited page. |
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kstahl
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| David wrote: | | I was able to block the ad by manually entering a filter. Alas, I could not use "View Background Image." It visits the image itself, not a page with links to the image and Adblock does not list the url of the visited page. |
Hmm, wasn't Adblock able to do that before? Maybe I'm just hallucinating.
rue,
when I chose "View Background Image" and then right-click it, the Adblock entry is present in the context menu but it is non functional. Is it supposed to be that way?
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sfj
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 Post subject: |
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| Same way for me... |
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guest
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, this method does not always work -- especially on nytimes.com The background ad is covered by a top image (a transparent gif). So, right-clicking on it, only brings up the normal menu for blocking an ad -- in this case, the transparent gif. I see no way at nytimes.com to hide the background ad using Adblock nightly build 35. |
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kstahl
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 Post subject: |
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You should be able to first block the transparent gif, and after it's gone should be able to view the background image.
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Duke
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 Post subject: |
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| sfj wrote: | | guest wrote: | | While I've never seen or heard of it, I wonder if someone could use an animated .gif as a background? |
Yes it's possible. I do an example here.
You got first the gif as a cell background, then alone as an image in the page.
You might see the problem when trying to do "adblock image" on it :
possible for the image, impossible - at this time, rue if you hear us - for the background. |
i right click on the cell picture and "View Background Image",then right click "Ablock image" and i get a javascript error in the console:
Fehler: data has no properties
Quelldatei: chrome://adblock/content/adblock.js
Zeile: 895
the background picture not blocked from adblock?
Adblock Build 39
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616
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rue
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| Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 Post subject: |
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kstahl:
when I chose "View Background Image" and then right-click it, the Adblock entry is present in the context menu but it is non functional. Is it supposed to be that way?
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Standalone elements were simply never given much thought. <-The whole answer :P
(but we'll try and address it for v.6) |
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kstahl
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| Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 Post subject: |
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It would be cool if I didn't have to do the View Background Image step first.
Maybe the context menu could show something like Adblock Background Image?
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